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Deeper inside IE8 Beta 2
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By Scott M. Fulton, III, BetaNews
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August 28, 2008, 12:42 PM
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It's increasingly looking like a whole new browser war is forming, as
Microsoft is showing evidence of having re-entered the race to add
innovative features to the rapidly aging tool.
Testing a new version of Internet Explorer is almost as important and
as detailed as testing a new Windows version, since IE's functionality
impacts so many other features of the operating system (not to mention
Microsoft Office apps). Microsoft released Beta 2 of Internet Explorer
8 yesterday, and BetaNews is actively testing it now. While we're
impressed to find new features, we're uncovering some areas that need
work, perhaps for a Beta 3.
One feature which IE6 users asked for during the IE7 beta period, and
which finally makes its debut with IE8, is the ability to designate
what categories honda insurance stored history the browser automatically or
manually deletes. This way, when you clear a browser's cache of stored
cookies, you don't have to clear stored passwords at the same time.
The new Delete Browsing History options dialog in Internet Explorer 8 Beta 2
You reach this dialog box from the familiar Internet Options menu,
where there's now a button in the Browsing History frame marked
Delete... (with the ellipsis at the end). Here, you'll find something
interesting: Apparently by default, IE8 maintains a list of Web sites
that appear to be capable of sharing session data with one another,
and that list is especially effective with the new InPrivate browsing
feature. But as this list indicates, IE8 doesn't delete that list
automatically by default. So although an InPrivate window wipes its
URL history on exit, it apparently does not wipe the list of sites
that can share data, unless you explicitly tell it to. Just how well
that list could be used to forensically extract information about Web
sites you've visited, in the absence of other evidence, may be
interesting to discover.
One of IE8's new classes of plug-ins is playing cards custom poker accelerators. This
enables the user to collect functions or processes that may be useful
to perform on an active Web page, or a highlighted portion of that
page. One very common function is mapping, and IE8 installs the "Map
with Live Maps" accelerator which enables you to get a quick full color custom playing cards picture of the location of any address you happen to find.
The way this works is fairly simple: When you find an address in a Web
page, and you wonder where that address is located, first you
highlight that address in the page. IE8 will respond by adding a
transparent icon over the highlight, which on first glance looks like
a cross between an arrow and the AMD logo. Clicking on this icon
brings up a context menu where your accelerator commands are located,
and you'll find Map with Live Maps here.
An example cheap insurance a map accelerator in IE8 Beta 2
Perhaps the most useful part of this feature is the ability to see a
short map without leaving the page, just by pointing to the
accelerator command rather than clicking on it. When you do click on
the command, IE8 will bring up a separate map page. Curiously, that
page does not appear in the same colored tab group as the page with
the address. As you'll recall from our first IE8 Beta 2 term life insurance yesterday, the new version is now capable of grouping together tabs of
new pages spawned by another page, and mark those tabs with similar
colors so you can tell them apart. You might expect
accelerator-spawned pages to follow this same behavior; but instead,
IE8 launches them into a new tab group with a completely different
color.
We also noticed, at least for now, that the parsing ability for
addresses is a bit imperfect. "Map with Live Maps" has no trouble
bringing up a map for an address whose contents are all bunched
together on one line, such as the contact addresses that appear on the
bottom of Web pages. But for some addresses that are split with one or
more line feed characters, this accelerator has problems, especially
if a suite number or apartment number appears on a separate line
between the street number and the geographic location.
The map accelerator gets it wrong in IE8 Beta 2
We've also noticed that this accelerator has difficulty parsing
nine-digit ZIP codes, which you'd think have become more common by
now. When encountering one, the accelerator will often bring up a
bubble asking which part of the address has the ZIP code.
Though at first you might think that accelerators work like a context
menu item in an application, there's one important missing feature:
the context part. Accelerators don't know whether they may apply to
the text you've highlighted until you select them yourself.
In other words, you may select a phone number, but while you're
searching for the accelerator in the list that dials that number for
you on the office phone, you'll still see the entry for mapping it in
Live Maps or translating it into English or defining it playing cards promotional Encarta,
still appear. These accelerators can't determine whether they may be
helpful in advance; so if accelerators do end up being a popular
feature with IE8, users could end up in a situation where they
progressively become more difficult to maintain.
Microsoft does look like it's chinese tutor chicago custom faces playing cards address this problem with the
addition of a menu command, "More Accelerators." But from there, you'd
be surprised to find a list of the exact same default accelerators
that IE8 already installed automatically; so if you're looking for
something else besides Encarta to define a term or a phrase, you'll
have the opportunity to bypass Encarta a second time.
These are the kinds of behaviors you typically find in betas of
products, and should not be taken as indication of any kind of
conspiracy against the user of the final product. Rather, the job of
beta testing is similar to finding the weeds in an area where the
gardener may have grown so accustomed to his own plan that he didn't
notice them.
Finally, you may be wondering, just how well does IE8 Beta 2 perform
in the Web browser standards test?
Not a very good score from IE8 Beta 2 on the Acid 3 test
The answer, for now, is an unparalleled "not too good." The new beta
passed the old Acid2 test with flying colors, rendering the happy face
completely, even with the proper radio buttons for eyes. But in its
standard mode -- which now supposedly adheres to published Web
standards rather than IE6 "best practices" -- IE8 Beta 2 scored only
as high as a 21% on the Web Standards Project's Acid3 test. Meanwhile
in "Compatibility View," which is supposed to render pages like IE7
and IE6, the new beta scored so low that you couldn't even read the
text of the homeowners insurance on the rendered page.
Curiously, for reasons we can't yet explain, it is the InPrivate
browsing window that scores a 21% on Acid3 in standard view, while the
non-private window in the same view only scored 20%. Our IE8 cheap homeowners insurance environment is a Windows XP Professional-based virtual machine running
in Virtual PC 2007. In our own comparisons, Firefox 3 version 2.0.2
scored a 71% on the Acid3 in XP Pro, and Internet Explorer 7 (after we
tell it that it's okay to run the XML ActiveX control) scores what we
believe to be a 5%, if our interpretation of its mangled page is
correct.
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By nasserd
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posted Aug 29, 2008 - 9:44 AM
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The accelerators are optional; although their files are installed they
are not enabled by default. I had unchecked them even before my first
IE8 browser session.
And lets not forget the memory usage on this puppy. Every tab
generates its own process; even the first tab has its own spawned
process separate from the "core" process -- which seems to do the
garbage collection and content sharing (cookies, address bar).
Score: 0
By RumbleGeek
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independent fashion Aug 29, 2008 - 9:34 AM
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For the first time since IE7 I have not had any browser crashes. I am
much happier with IE8 than I have been for a long time.
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By eclipsingdivinity
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posted Aug 29, 2008 - 8:57 AM
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Still using Firefox until they speed up the rendering engine. IE7 was
an 'almost got it' browser. The only thing I did not like was whole life insurance slow
browsing was, and how slow the tabs were. Granted IE loads faster, but
the application itself just isn't as efficient.
If IE8 speeds up, I wouldn't see a reason not to use it.
Score: 0
By Storytellerofsci-fiction
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posted Aug 29, 2008 - 8:06 AM
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What the real issue is with Microsoft, is why they can't seem to
"reverse engineer" the competitions present offerings and improve the
existing code and how it's implemented adding additional features to
enhance the final Browser produced. This is really silly when you
think about the financial resources and talent, available to
Microsoft. Mozilla and everyone else with the exception of Apple are
building their Browser incarnations on a shoe string budget actually
(Vs Microsoft) and doing a better job. (sadly) Enough said. Innovate
or get out of the way. (EULA's be damned)
Score: 0
By diverron
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posted Aug 29, 2008 - 7:29 AM
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Maxthon, which uses the IE engine, does not display pages at all. I
had to uninstally the beta. Clearly I didn't do a full test of the
beta, but either Maxthon needs to figure out how to use the new engine
(and that of course won't happen until it's no longer a beta) or IE8
has to become more compatible (i.e. more consistently render pages
accurately, as noted in the article above).
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By ingram091
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posted Aug 29, 2008 - 7:22 AM
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Getting closer. Need to see what plugins I can use on it and it may be
worthy.
1 thing they need to do is move the home history page safty tools and
that crap up to the wasted space near help on the tool bar. then allow
the tabs to progress normally as Firefox does.
They do that and it will be Hunky dory for me. Without it the tabbed
pages just looks way too crowded for my personal taste.
I got to play with it a bit. but this article was encouraging. first
time in a long time I have said that about a MS product.
Score: 0
By AnthonySPT
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posted Aug 29, 2008 - 8:23 AM
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I am tab and screen real-estate junkie myself.
What I find strange about your post is that even with as customizable
the Firefox UI is, you get more more screen space with IE, even while
leaving the toolbars enabled.
The hidden Menu of IE is a better design, and the dropdown features of
the toolbar are just as accessible when slide all the way to the right
taking up one button of space. (Even the new Slice/Links toolbar
easily works in this position as well.)
I like to see my address bar, search bar, and next Tabs with my
toolbars slid to the right out of the way.
I do agree that it might be a smart move for Microsoft IE's team to
think more Office 2007 and move the toolbar to the top Window Frame,
as this would give users even a bit more space.
Another fight with Firefox/IE is with Fullscreen, a feature Microsoft
created a long time ago, and still does better, especially when
dealing with plug-in content. (Important for people that browser from
across the room or like a clean screen approach from the old days.)
I also hate the missing ability to easily zoom from the Firefox UI,
that is put in 'unused' space on the IE status bar. (Again something
for someone that uses the screen across the room or even when relaxing
using a bluetooth mouse that wants can't read 8pt fonts at 10'.
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By vince_1579
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posted Aug 29, 2008 - 2:29 AM
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I cannot install IE8 even with an admin account due to an update which
eventually is not necessary because mine is already way updated due to
XP SP3. auto insurance more the installation keeps on asking me to download the update
necessary. I am confused. What shall I do? Please do help. Thanks!
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By Storytellerofsci-fiction
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posted Aug 29, 2008 - 7:38 AM
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This is how you fix it according to Microsoft's official white paper.
You must first Uninstall Service pack 3 (Only if you have installed
the previous IE 8 beta 1 ,then reinstall Service Pack 3 and load IE 8
Beta 2 otherwise you won't be able to Uninstall it) If you load the
new beta over the old one it will lock itself in and you won't be able
to revert back to IE 7 without a fresh OS install.
(If your being offered it through Windows Updates the previous beta
was on your system at sometime in the past and a registry key still
exist for it) This is why beta 2 is being offered to you.
If you never added the previous beta to your system you need not
concern yourself with the above. What you need to do if you can't
update to IE 8 through Windows Update, you need to find and download
the stand alone installer for IE 8 (for Windows XP only) as there are
two versions of the Browser the link is posted below. I think you'll
have better luck with it instead. Sometimes compatibility issues
present that Microsoft has identified with lock you out of an update.
If you find you still can not update "pull" Service Pack 3 from your
system and try it then. If it installs then you can just reinstall it
"Service Pack 3 with it's stand alone installer". (Look on
Softpedia.com for it) You'll find it.
Your not really missing much not testing out IE 8, many insure quote tried it out for
24 hours and watched it overall "performance degrade" before my eyes.
It's not really awe inspiring at all as I'm on Vista and the eye candy
is seriously missing with it. Here's your link:
http://www.majorgeeks.co...rer_8_for_XP_d5920.html (Note the installer
size is 15.9 Mb) that's the right one.
streetwear style of luck with the new information. Oh and you shouldn't have to
install as an Admin on XP it should just install.
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By vince_1579
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posted Aug 29, 2008 - 8:49 AM
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Thanks for the well elaborated and much needed info. I think I'll
trust your word for it and opt not to install IE8b2 anymore. I'll just
wait then for it's final build.
More power to you Storytellerofsci-fiction!
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By Braeden
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edited Aug 29, volvo insurance - 1:33 AM
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I agree. This beta is MUCH better than any other previous betas. I'm
very impressed.
streetwear clothing have to point out an error in the article though...
In compatibiity mode, IE8 scores a clearly readable 15/100 on the Acid
3 test.
The text is at the very bottom of the page.
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By Registered
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posted Aug 28, 2008 - 6:36 PM
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not bad, but not sure why MS wants to fight for browser superiority
doesn't make sense to me, a person purchases a operating system, it's
not as though MS is going to make further profit on there browser,
because the browser is given away free of charge any way,
and people like firefox and safari are doing MS a favour in the long
run, at least with a 3rd party browser there is no chance of windows
becoming affected by some kind if malware or bad spyware of some kind,
because 3rd party browsers do not interface with the operating system
on a intricate level, if a browser breaks, no problem, reinstall.
i've found once internet explorer has been successfully attacked in
one form or another, the whole operating system or in part at least
gets affected, and there is no way of doing a fresh install of
internet explorer because of the level of integration between the host
operating system and the browser, fixing internet explorer can be a
nightmare, and it's usually easier and in some cases quicker just to
reinstall the system from scratch,
poker shape playing cards MS should think of it this way, in the long run 3rd party browsers
actually help windows remain more stable, and increase stability
across the board.
i for one like the idea that windows is protected streetwear fashion using a 3rd
party isolated program that does not interact with windows on any
critical level,
but i also like the idea that windows basic browser is there in case
my 3rd party browser goes bad, so i can download a new browser, after
all it's not as though they can just dump there browser completely,
not only does desktop itself depend on it, but users need it at the
beginning we they can have the freedom of downloading a 3rd part
browser.
best life insurance wish i could understand MS strategy at times, after all, they
created a operating system for us to use, which gave us the freedom to
choose what we would like to do on it, but now there competing with
companies that home insurance us the choice of software we like to use on
there operating system, bizarre, and for the life of me i can't help
wondering maybe there just bored, and they like challenges, meaning
they like going against other companies that supply software for there
base operating system for the people to choose from,
isn't these the very same companies that helped there windows become
so versatile in the first place,
???
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By eclipsingdivinity
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posted Aug 29, 2008 - 9:03 AM
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Microsoft may be directly competing with Firefox on the browser front,
but the reason for the competition is due to the indirect competition
with Google. Having Google as your default search provider in Firefox
really irks Microsoft. When you have people switching to Firefox there
is a chance people are switching to Google as their search provider,
which causes Microsoft to lose market share with their Windows Live
services.
Really it's all about Windows Live vs Google.
Another note: Noone will ever see Microsoft do an adblock feature nor
Mozilla directly. Because the Internet would go out of business.
Score: 0
By wadedesk
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posted Aug 29, 2008 - 1:03 AM
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Microsoft poker cards been upgrading their OS through Microsoft applications
since the release of Windows 95. In the early days of Windows 9x, the
only way to have a smooth running system was to have IE, Works,
Office, Money, Picture-It, Publisher and FrontPage all installed on
your computer and use them exclusively. Woe to those who chose to use
non-MS applications in the early days.
Only since the release of Windows XP has their OS been complete enough
to run 3rd party applications without the update (integration) help of
MS applications. Why do you think corporate America pays all those
licensing fees for MS applications?
Of course the release of SP3 for XP has destabilized my systems to a
point that I think I'm back running Win98 at times.
If Microsoft thinks that having several "Blue Screens of Death" a day
will get me to upgrade to Vista, they are sadly mistaken. Microsoft is
simply making it easier for me to rationalize buying a new laptop that
does not run the Windows platform.
Score: 0
By terminalx
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posted Aug 29, 2008 - 4:20 AM
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You should probably avoid posting in the future or until you develop
some knowledge...
If you are getting BSODs it means its hardware related
A BSOD in Windows XP and above means its a hardware problem not the
OS, its what Linux and OSX call a kernal panic.
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By matt2971
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posted Aug 29, 2008 - 7:03 AM
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regardless of the merits or not of the above post, it's incorrect to
say that all BSOD are hardware related. For instance, perfectly good
hardware working with a bad or incompatible driver can cause a BSOD.
That's software-related.
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By terminalx
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posted Aug 29, 2008 - 8:25 AM
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You do realize MS has nothing to do with drivers, right?
You also probably realize that a driver's purpose is to make the
hardware work...
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By matt2971
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edited Aug 29, 2008 - 8:52 AM
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MS have to do with some drivers, but not most no. I was responding to:
"If you are getting BSODs it means its hardware related"
That implies that all BSODs are caused by faulty hardware, which is
wrong. The driver may have nothing to do with MS and is intended to
make hardware work, but it's still software, and if it causes a BSOD,
then that BSOD is software-related as far as I'm concerned.
I guess you're referring to the fact that BSODs are hardware-driver
related.
Score: 0
By shy_one
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posted Aug 29, 2008 - customized playing cards AM
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i wish i could understand MS strategy at times
Thats easy when it comes to IE since live search is the default search
engine and the more people use it the more money Microsoft can make.
Google knows this as well why do you think they give so much money to
firefox and guess who the default search engine is on that.
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By terminalx
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posted Aug 29, 2008 - 12:47 AM
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Except MS gives you the option to customize it when you first use it.
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By XNeo```
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posted Aug 28, 2008 - 6:34 PM
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Microsoft always works on features rather then SPEED and RELIABILITY!
Firefox beats IE anytime!
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By The MAZZTer
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posted Aug 28, 2008 - 6:24 PM
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"Curiously, for reasons we can't yet explain, it is the InPrivate
browsing window that scores a 21% on Acid3 in standard view, while the
non-private window in the same indie style only scored 20%."
Some of the tests fail if they take too long to complete. So if you
refresh the page multiple times your score may differ by 1 ow 2% if a
test or two took too long this time.
Score: 0
By Belarathon
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posted Aug 28, 2008 - 6:21 PM
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Ya know, for a bunch of nay-sayers who hate Microsoft, you seem to
habitually show up at these MS threads like your an obsessed stalker
or something. If you're so pleased with the cult of Foxfire, why do
you distress yourselves so by reading about a product you despise? Go
watch some Star Trek reruns now, have a glass of warm milk, and relax.
Score: 0
By vinunleaded0301
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posted Aug 28, 2008 - 11:25 PM
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very well said
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By GhoS
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posted Aug 28, 2008 - 5:42 PM
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I tried the beta for a short time and was impressed. Although I barely
tried the new features since it was incompatible with my netflix
watchnow feature.
There is no chance of it replacing firefox as of right now but its got
some good things going for it.
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By motorcycle insurance ===========
edited Aug 28, 2008 - 4:18 PM
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What gives the Web Standards Project the authority to dictate how
browsers should be programmed?
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By andrewdownloader
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edited Aug 28, 2008 - 5:12 PM
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it's not a simple project, is the World Wide Web Consorium
http://www.w3.org/
So their work since 1994 is to develop Web Standards in order to make
everybody code the same way. If you don't code standard web pages most
Web browsers will have serious problems understanding your code...it's
big deal man !! Microsoft doesn't dictate web standards, even if you
ford insurance IE to be the only web browser on earth.
Score: 0
By Hollywood__
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edited Aug 28, 2008 - 6:10 PM
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IE8 makes Safari look like a piece of crap.
p.s. I have Safari on my notebook. It doesn't render tables properly
for a bunch of websites. Even Firefox get's it right.
Safari blows.
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By dvferret
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posted Aug 28, 2008 - 5:02 PM
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Agreed/\.\
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By Ryusennin
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posted Aug 28, 2008 - 4:00 PM
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21% for a browser that is supposedly totally standard-compliant.
Right. This is not good. Actually, this is pretty much abysmal. Worse
than that even: TERRIFYING.
Score: 0
By rodtrent
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posted Aug 28, 2008 - 3:54 PM
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Interestingly, Betanews.com shows up as a blank page in a default
installation of IE8 Beta 2. You have to use compatibility mode. Does
that mean that Betanews.com is not standard?
http://myitforum.com/cs2...n-using-ie8-beta-2.aspx
Score: 0
By esteil
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posted Aug 28, 2008 - 5:57 PM
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Actually, it appears to be a bug in IE8. I've deployed a workaround in
the stylesheets, so compatibility mode shouldn't be required anymore.
- Eric
Score: 0
By dvferret
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posted Aug 28, 2008 - 4:59 PM
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Its cause thier code is full or errors and/or because they are using
outdated or nonstandard code.
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By matt_hargett
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edited Aug 28, 2008 - 3:13 PM
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It's worth noting that the Firefox 3.1 nightly build scores 83% on
acid3, and konqueror 4.1 scores in the high 70s. This "standards"
release of IE8 is just a joke -- they need to rethink their release
criteria if they want to be taken seriously, in my opinion.
Score: 0
By internetworld7
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edited Aug 28, 2008 - 4:32 PM
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And the latest nightly builds of Webkit continue to score a perfect
100% and remain the fastest rendering engine of any browser.
http://s533.photobucket....ent=2008-08-28_1322.png
(That's my gorgeous Mac by the way!)
Score: 0
By gawd21
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posted Aug 28, 2008 - 6:35 PM
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I really, playing cards the toolbar on the bottom of the screen. It looked
bulky and limited. I just don't like it at all.
Score: 0
By Hollywood__
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edited Aug 28, 2008 - 8:23 PM
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All I see is an Apple sheep desktop screenshot, where is your actual
computer? Afraid we will all see what a dump you live in?
Your website shortcut list on Safari is sad, do you ever get laid Mr.
"AppleMacStud". Every day you out do yourself in the pathetic
category.
You make us laugh and appreciate the fact we are nothing like you.
Score: 0
By internetworld7
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posted Aug 29, 2008 - 12:13 AM
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"do you ever get laid Mr. "AppleMacStud".
Are you asking a question or making a statement redneck? But this is
coming from a guy who claims California is the "armpit" of America yet
he goes by the username of the most famous city in California:
Hollywood
LOL. You've lost all credibility hillbilly. And to answer your
question, my idea of getting laid unlike you doesn't involve my
sister/cousin - aunt/mother - daughter/wife... I know that's hard to
comprehend for a guy who comes from a proud tradition of incest but
everybody doesn't believe in "keeping it in the family".
Score: 0
By terminalx
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posted Aug 29, 2008 - 12:53 AM
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It all makes sense now, not only do you have no clue about what you
are talking about but you are indeed 12.
Adults do not go on and on about hillbillies and incest unless of
course they have first hand knowledge which seems to come up a lot in
your posts of "inbreeding" & "rednecks".
A topic you seem almost as obsessed about as your constant praise
about Apple yet knowing nothing about the product you own.
Score: 0
By internetworld7
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posted Aug 29, 2008 - 1:02 AM
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Obviously the shoe fits terminalx... If it didn't you wouldn't have
responded to something not directed at you. It's pretty clear I
touched a soft spot. :)
Score: 0
By dvferret
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posted Aug 28, 2008 - 11:14 PM
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LOL. Nice, true and to the point.
Score: 0
By dvferret
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posted Aug 28, 2008 - 5:03 PM
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MY GOD THATS UGLY. :P
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By gawd21
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posted Aug 28, 2008 - 3:23 PM
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Why, why, do they even keep trying? It only gets worse and worse.
Chuck it and let FF and Opera take over. MS has lost focus.
Score: 0
By internetworld7
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posted Aug 28, 2008 - 4:35 PM
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M$ fanboys like Hollywood_, PC_Troll, and terminalx simply won't let
them. Everybody except them and their kind recognize that IE should
just die and let Safari 3 streetwear clothes Firefox 3 takeover.
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By terminalx
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edited Aug 29, 2008 - 1:05 AM
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Because you base a product on name only you have no clue what you are
talking about.
Stated more times then I care to count, I use automobile insurance products and I will
not buy a Apple PC as its just a way to sell OSX for $1000.
All the components used are standard PC parts made to work with EFI
which is the equivalent of what pcs use. (PCs for the most part use
BIOS but some do have EFI capability)
But I do own two ipods and a Itouch nothing groundbreaking and it
constantly locks up *no, it just doesn't work* and its well documented
on Apple's site that it doesn't. But the learn mandarin chicago syncs with my car
seamlessly and MS Sync isn't out for my car yet so I deal with it.
When and if OSX ever is allowed to work on non - TCM hardware I'll
have no problem using it.
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By cescam66
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posted Aug 28, 2008 - 9:20 PM
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ah que pendejo sos hijo de puta
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By Hollywood__
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edited Aug 28, 2008 - 8:28 PM
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Sorry, not a fanboy. I have more money than brains and expensive toys
coming out of the woodwork. I buy pretty much everything, then decide
for myself whether it's a POS or not.
Let me give you an example. I have a Pronto 9600, a URC MX-3000, and
an RTI T3-V. They are all pricey touchscreen universal remotes. They
all sit in their boxes because I decided I wanted a real automation
system. I know the weaknesses and strengths of each one and I can give
you an objective opinion.
Same goes for MP3 players. 2 iPods and 2 Sansas. I can tell you the
Sansas not only sound better but are easier to navigate. Unfortunately
my OEM in-dash only has poker size playing cards direct iPod link. I hate the iPod with a
passion.
You are the exact opposite. You would defend Steve Jobs if he went on
a 3 state killing spree. Why? Because you are angry, lonely, house insurance have
nothing better to do than cheerlead a niche product that shallow
morons buy.
You already posted you are from California. That alone pre-qualifies
you as an idiot loser. I've been to that state many times, cheap house insurance is
exactly the same. Strange and shallow.
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By SlapShot
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posted Aug 28, 2008 - 7:01 PM
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any chance it's cupertino, california heh
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By Hollywood__
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edited Aug 28, 2008 - 8:31 PM
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Probably Pamona. All of CA is an armpit except a few cities outside
San Diego. Rancho Santa Fe is pretty nice but that's because there are
hardly any people around they are nuevo riche upper class.
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By dvferret
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posted Aug 28, 2008 - 5:00 PM
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Yah I dont know how you could possibly think Safari could take over.
Right now its a piece of junk.
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By gawd21
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posted Aug 28, 2008 - 4:44 PM
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OMG, the world must be coming to an end! I agree with you on
something. OMG OMG OMG What to do, what to do??????? LMAO I do agree
with that comment.
Score: 0
By pjb
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posted Aug 28, 2008 - 3:21 PM
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Poss bug, deleting does not fully appear to work:
http://www.microsoft.com...p;cr=&sloc=&p=1
Score: 0
By Sven123456789
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posted Aug 28, 2008 - 3:16 PM
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Whole new browser war, You kidding. IE8 has nothing on Opera or
Firefox.
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By Belarathon
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posted Aug 28, 2008 - 6:24 PM
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Yeah, nothing except SPEED. Of course, if you had actually installed
IE8, you might have known that. IE8 spanks Firefox in every regard on
my system. Of course, even if IE8 were faster for YOU, none of you
boyz would ever admit it.
Score: 0
By amroliwala
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posted Aug 28, 2008 - 2:52 PM
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"Firefox 3 version 2.0.2 scored a 71% on the Acid3 in XP Pro"
Firefox 3 version 2.0.2?? The latest version is 3.0.1.
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By Belarathon
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posted Aug 29, 2008 - 9:33 AM
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3.02 RC2 came out yesterday. I'll bet that's what he meant to type.
Score: 0
By swattz101
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posted Aug 28, 2008 - 2:08 PM
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FYI there are other 'accelerators' that you can download also. I like
Google Maps better than Live Maps (or whatever Microsoft is calling it
today) and downloaded the Google Map accelerator which seems to work
fine in the context menu.
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By DaMiEn™
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posted Aug 28, 2008 - 1:39 PM
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Aesthetically pleasing and a bit faster too. Keep it up. :)
Score: 0
By dvferret
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edited Aug 28, 2008 - 1:41 PM
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http://www.microsoft.com...03D6&displaylang=en
64 bit version for Windows Vista. FileForum doesn't currently have
this.
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By skapig
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posted Aug 28, 2008 - 1:30 PM
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A low score on the Acid3 isn't a big deal at this point since none of
the browsers do too well on it. Having it pass Acid2 is a big step
though whereas before it wasn't even close. This will make things a
lot easier on web developers (assuming that MS didn't cheat on the
test).
IE7 was a step forward. Any step beyond IE6 was welcome, however many
business environments still haven't taken the step. This is mostly due
to concerns over compatibility with critical applications.
Compatibility mode in IE8 may finally get some greater adoption going.
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By kptbc
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posted Aug 28, 2008 - 1:13 PM
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MS has disabled the IE8 Beta downloads on the IE 8 website
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By xerus
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edited Aug 28, 2008 - 1:39 PM
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Downloads work just fine, though the browser sucks in general and
doesn't even print pages correctly.
http://www.microsoft.com...0&sortCriteria=date#
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By jbaltz69
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posted Aug 28, 2008 - 2:13 PM
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It's a beta.
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By LiraNuna
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edited Aug 28, 2008 - 4:14 PM
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oh, and firefox 3 beta had a lot of bugs right?
a lot of people used the 4th and 5th beta of FF3 and it was considered
very stable - so stable that ubuntu considered it as a default web
browser (beta!)
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By dvferret
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posted Aug 28, 2008 - 5:02 PM
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Huh well this is beta 2 NOT BETA 4 OR 5 or some other nonsense.
Score: 0
auto insurance dvferret
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posted Aug 28, 2008 - 1:41 PM
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All links were down earlier today and late yesterday. They are finally
back up now.
Score: 0
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